Women’s (Except for Pro-life Women) March on Washington
“A real feminist believe that women should have control over their bodies!”
“Absolutely! Do whatever you want to your own body, not somebody else’s body though.”
“Aren’t you for liberty or something?”
“The liberty to do as you please does not include the liberty to take away somebody’s life because that infringes upon their liberty.”
“The fetus is in the woman’s body!”
“Still not the same body. Separate DNA, arms, legs, heart.”
“But it’s an invader!”
“How are you going to do the thing that creates babies then blame the baby like it popped out of nowhere?”
Can we stop with these alternative facts? 1. 90% of abortions occur during the first trimester. 2. Body parts (meaning the nervous system, the heart, the brain) develop after about 10 weeks.
That means 90% of abortions are getting rid of the equivalent of egg yolk.
The majority of the 10% are terminating the baby because 1.The birther’s health is in danger 2. The baby won’t survive
Alternative facts? You did not really counter anything the videos concluded which was primarily about bodily integrity (or bodily autonomy).
But let’s talk about the “alternative facts” in your little rebuttal here.
1)True, the overwhelming majority of abortions occur in the first trimester, primarily thanks to the new availability of abortifacient drugs which have increased in use from 6% in 2001 to 31% in 2014. And that’s great and all - it’s still murder though.
2)False. The “body parts” and organs are developing from the point of conception because everything that occurs after the formation of the zygote, including implantation of the blastocyst, is a form of development of the embryo. You may see visual physical developments of organs occur at different stages around 3 weeks of gestation but there really is no definitive time these each occur within the first trimester. Furthermore, even after birth the body is still developing as the child grows.
I don’t know how many times I need to educate ignorant pro-choicers on this, but an embryo or fetus is not the equivalent of an egg yolk. An egg yolk is the equivalent of a human female’s ovum. They are both gamete cells, just like sperm. They are not living in the sense of an unique diploid cell. Capiche?
Also, the actual “yolk” of the egg is just cytoplasm which contains nutrients like fats, protein, and minerals needed to help fuel fertilization. This is why we eat chicken eggs for delicious sustenance.
Now, back to your second set of numbering.
1)False. The top three reasons women give for abortion in order are:
“Having a baby would dramatically change my life.”
“Can’t afford a baby now.”
“Don’t want to be a single mother or having relationship problems.”
At the bottom of that list is rape and incest registered at or below 1%. Physical or health problems are around 3-13%. Source 1,2
2)False. Miscarriage is not the same thing as an elective abortion, in case you were further confused. Most recent talk about late-term abortions have been hyperbolic conjecture surrounding the supposed “outbreak” of microcephaly allegedly spread via the Zika virus. This prompted monsters like Hillary Clinton to use this as a soapbox issue to justify her abortion on demand policy even though microcephaly is a rare livable disorder. So, this is essentially the same thing as mothers who selectively murder their children because they have Down Syndrome.
It’s never really about the survival of the baby or the mother; it’s about what the mother wants. That’s why pro-choicers are generally not only biologically ignorant they are also morally bankrupt.
Proof of the importance of a working understanding of actual, real scientific & statistical facts.
Oh, & BTW … just because one doesn’t believe these are actual, real scientific & statistical facts does not mean one can label them “alternative facts” … OK.
@redbloodedamerica
1. It’s not murder. During the first trimester, it’s certain the fetus doesn’t have a developed brain or nervous system. It can’t think, it can’t move, it can’t feel pain. How can you say it’s alive, much less call it murder, when a fetus is aborted in the first trimester?
2. Nobody said they weren’t developing from conception. I’m telling you they haven’t developed yet. They haven’t fully developed to serve a purpose. Any part of the brain or nervous system that possibly developed is not completely developed, doesn’t serve a purpose yet, and therefore can’t make the fetus think, feel pain, or move. The fetus is still a bunch of dividing and differentiating cells and cannot be called alive.
You’re right, the yolk was not an accurate example.
Second set
1. I was talking about late term abortions. That’s why I separated my comment.
2. I’m sorry. I read somewhere on Tumblr late term abortions happen because the mother’s life was in danger or their life situation was not suitable to raise the child. I’m pretty sure they cited sources, but I can’t find the post.
And semi-related side note, people talk about suction-aspiration, or any procedure that cuts up the fetus, and how much pain the baby feels. Why does nobody talk about the pain it causes to the mother?
Why do they think it’s completely painless to the mother? Why do people call the mothers witches? Why do they think women are sadomasochists? Maybe it’s because the mother thought long about it and decided…
Abortion is less expensive than delivering the baby? Maybe it’s because adoption is largely misunderstood. Maybe because immediate and long term cost is thought of without knowing all the options. Maybe education is key, just like it’s always been.
0:17 First Alt Fact. That sounds like a huge strawman. The argument is more along the lines of “You pro-lifers want to do away with, possibly criminalize, all abortions, even if it may be harmful to the mother’s health or personal life. That is not something we feminists want to support.”
0:29 Alt Fact 2. Where did that come from? So now because Republicans support pro-choice and want to take away the right to choose, feminists are required to support the progressive democratic agenda (whatever that’s defined as)?
Think about this. Republicans and Democrats are seemingly a dichotomy. If one agrees with something, the other will often disagree. There’s an issue with two sides. Neither intended (or rather, they wanted support for just this issue) for politicians to take sides, but they have. So now, both sides are required to be either republican or democrat and support everything that party does?
0:45 Agreed, but she’s arguing against second trimester/late term abortions, which effects 10% of your cases, not 100%.
0:56 Again, she talks about late term abortions.
1:09, 1:18 I can’t believe people/feminists use that argument
1:26 10% of cases
1:43 Human beings, another term people want to twist to fit their agenda. I know a human being is not a bunch of differentiating cells. So once again, 10% of cases.
1:48-1:56 Nice way to drive her point home. Show that the other side is irrational although her video was slewed with misrepresentation.
This video says it’s parody and is used for educational purposes. I don’t see a whole lot of education in it.
Luckily for me, I’ve answered these exact same arguments so many times that I can source my own content which means this takes half the time to respond to.
“It’s not murder. During the first trimester, it’s certain the fetus doesn’t have a developed brain or nervous system.”
First of all, no, you do not need a conscious brain to be alive. While you may make the philosophical argument that life without brain function would not be living life (hence the term being brain-dead), biologically speaking you are 100% alive although at some point artificially if your brain stem can no longer operate automatic tasks such as breathing.
As I pointed out before, after totipotency two parents’ haploid non-living cells transform into a new diploid cell. This zygote contains all of the genetic information necessary to form a new individual. As it divides and grows it becomes a blastocyst where it is implanting itself into the cozy comfort of the uterine wall. (This will come up again later, so pay attention.) If it does not do this it will die…meaning it was alive. All lives no matter at what point of development still have potential.
Now, the neural tube, which makes up the earliest nervous system, is developed in the first two weeks of gestation. After a month the cerebral cortex is formed. During this time the embryo is the most susceptible to birth defects. After two months the brain is functioning enough to perform reflexes. While most neurosurgeons agree that the fetus can feel pain as early at 20 weeks of gestation, some have argued that it could occur as early as 8. One thing is for sure, during the second trimester the brain is fully developed. All the neurons are present. Around the fourth month a fetus even has sensory sensations such as smell, taste, and sound.
“I’m telling you they haven’t developed yet.”
The fetus is developing from the moment of conception and will continue to do so until its late twenties to early thirties. So, clearly the entire point of having a fully developed brain (or any other organ) argument is a giant waste of time. It is the classic extenuation to justify your immorality of killing a living being simply because it is not born. Life begins at conception and continues to develop well outside the womb thus determining that life at any point after conception is indeed murder. This the same reason that most states as well as the federal government identify the murder of a pregnant woman with child as two distinct homicides.
“I was talking about late term abortions. I’m sorry. I read somewhere on Tumblr late term abortions happen because the mother’s life was in danger or their life situation was not suitable to raise the child.”
There is a lot of misinformation spread from the pro-choice crowd. The truth though is there simply is no truth to the matter that a fetus somehow puts the mother’s life in danger. All complications during pregnancy are treated to protect both the mother and the child at all costs. Most hospitals and doctors will tell you this straightforwardly. If an OB-GYN or doctor suggests abortion as an solution to a complication, they should be reported to the AMA because they are not doing their job.
“And semi-related side note, people talk about suction-aspiration, or any procedure that cuts up the fetus, and how much pain the baby feels. Why does nobody talk about the pain it causes to the mother?”
Probably because she voluntarily elected to have that horrible procedure done to herself. Nobody is saying it is not painless. We are the ones suggesting women should not do this. There are also numerous issues that come post-abortion we could expound upon as well.
Points about the video.
0:17 - Actually, she was talking about actual things feminists said to pro-life groups regarding the Women’s March in Washington.
0:29 - Yes, abortion is all over the modern progressive Democrat Party platform. I have no idea what you are trying to say regarding political parties but there are some Republicans who are pro-choice to varying degrees, there are still a few Democrats who are pro-life, and there are numerous Libertarians who are on both sides of the issue, and the Green party and other socialist organizations would probably eat their own young if they could; but the Democrat Party has fully embraced the “women’s right to choose” issue as part of their “reproductive rights” mantra. It is a party platform by self-identity at this point.
0:45 - Yes, no matter what point of gestation or development, you are infringing on the liberty to life itself by aborting your own living child.
0:56 - Wrong again. As I pointed out above. After conception the newly formed zygote has its own unique set of DNA. Biologically speaking, it is a brand new living person after conception.
1:09, 1:18 - Believe me, they do. Search a couple of my rebuttals to feminists pro-choicers and it is bound to pop up.
1:26 - I believe you completely missed the point on this one.
1:43 - Okay, I can see biology is not your strong suit. Let’s try it this way, what is the exact moment (week of gestation) that a fetus goes from being a non-living “clump of cells” into a living human being? And remember, you have no way of detecting any organ development other than using an ultrasound to detect heartbeat. So, when is the exact moment of development in that third trimester that you keep alluding to the “10% of cases.” When exactly are you actually killing a human being in your opinion?
1:48-1:56 - Well…yeah. Because feminists are irrational and generally ignorant.
The video is poking fun at your ideology, that’s why you didn’t see the satire in it and hence why you refuse to be open to be educated by it. Sadly, abortion is not a subject that people can have a playful laugh at so she is trying tackle it from an ideological perspective. Obviously, you are too ingrained in misinformation that you are choosing to fight the information presented rather than learn by it.
