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This scene was the absolute shit. Maidens of the Spear FTW


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asha-mage:

WoT Musing: The Tragedy of Aram

Elyas makes maybe the most lucid observation about Aram’s central conflict in the entire series. Aram has given up everything he is for the sword: his pepole, his way of life, his beliefs, even his family. Because he could not live with being powerless in a violent world, he could not stay to a peaceful way of life in a world that was too cruel for peace. That left a void in him, a void with he filled with his devotion to Perrin, Faile, and the sword. And it’s not enough.

But part of the reason it’s not enough is because Perrin dosen’t want to be the object of Aram’s loyalty. Perrin so often rejects every part of being a Lord: but especially he rejects the relationship between master and servant, or master and armsman. He dosen’t want power over anyone, he dosen’t want people depending on him as the source of guidance and protection and meaning in their lives, because deep down Perrin thinks he isn’t worthy, and will screw everything up. To that end, Perrin seizes on every small mistake as evidence of his unfitness to lead, and ignores all evidence to the contrary, with a willful stubborn blindness.

And the worst side effect of this, is that Perirn’s most loyal follower, his most devoted ally, the person who gave his all to Perrin….is left out in the wind. Perrin’s refusal to try and lead, leaves Aram lost and angry and bitter, as the person he gave up everything to follow increasingly rejects his aid and his loyalty, rebukes and censures him for doing what he swore to do without offering an feedback or instructions on what he should have done differently, because at the end of the day it isn’t really about Aram. It’s about Perrin’s desire to reject what Aram’s represents, the devotion of armsman to lord.

And so Aram is left to twist in the wind, to become more isolated, more bitter, and more frustrated, which makes him the perfect target for Masema’s manipulation, Masema, who knows how faith in a higher power can be used to take advantage of others, and to fill the void in people when the world around them fails them. Masema, who tells him it’s Perrin that is evil, foul, and corrupt, that gives outlet to Aram’s anger and frustration and the betrayal he feels.

Aram is a victim of Perrin’s indecisiveness, and the worst part is, that he never fully reckons with that, never is forced to confront the consequences of his failure to take responsibility. He accepted Aram’s oath, and then betrayed his loyalty, but being tunnel visioned onto his own insecurities, and his need to save Faile, he never realized it.

So Aram dies a footnote, in both the narrative and Perrin’s view, and that in so many ways is the worst fate he could have had.

excellent analysis, never considered Aram or even Perrin in this light

Wheel of Time Show Spoilers maybe:




Based on that teaser for ep 5 with Lan screaming, running through the hallway, and the missing dagger from that one shot. I think Stepin is gonna take his own life after the death of Kerene to drive home how strong the bond is between Aes Sedai and Warders.

Some WoT boys I sketched whilst listening to the Dumai’s Wells chapter. I got warmed up whilst sketching and I like how Perrin turned out the most.

The audiobooks rule!

Thinking about Moiraine absently reaching for the power to do totally ordinary things because it’s just so unconscious and instinctive and she honestly just forgets that she can’t. 

Trying to light a candle, or clear up some spilled wine, or ease the pain from a bruise Lan got while training. Not even thinking about it. Making the appropriate channeling gesture and then immediately turning away to move onto the next thing.

Each time it takes about a second before she realises that the candle is still dark, the wine is still spilled, and Lan has just closed his eyes with a wince at what she’s tried, and failed, to do.

So over and over again she keeps getting  hit with the awful reminder that….she can’t.

amemoryofwot:

amemoryofwot:

What reasons did Ali from Wheel Takes give for predicting Thom and Moiraine would get together? Or did she just pull that out of her wonderful brain somehow?

WHAT. I - omg that’s not how I viewed that interaction at all my god I’ve read them kiss in ToM several times now and I’m still like EwanMcGregorConfusedFace.

I’ve only listened to their show eps and I’ve been halfway through episode 5 for a while now but it’s fun when she’s wrong because you can be like oh ya I see how you would think that but it’s really fun when she’s right because it’s like how in the world did you get that from this. Her reading of Valda from only his brief show introduction really had my jaw on the floor.

Omg Gus must have been howling he was so incensed over her and Valda it was so funny

radiantkal:

lionelayne:

This is a half-formed thought, but Adolin is the anti-Gawyn

#he sure is #everyone in his family has a great Magical Destiny and is Plot Important #and he’s not and is just like… #chill about it @wafflelovingbatgirl EXACTLY!!!! Gawyn was fighting to be the Most Important still even when he was obsolete because of the power. Adolin on the other hand is really graceful about accepting hey, I’m not a magical god of legend or a Radiant. I’m just going to do the best that I can in any way that I can. And that WORKS for him most of the time, he has a perspective that Radiants don’t and he works it to his advantage. Gawyn’s downfall was never accepting that he isn’t the Most Important which caused him to get in the way

amemoryofwot:

amemoryofwot:

If it’s between the two rumours for Brigitte I’m still going with Ragga Ragnars over Salle Salee but then I don’t know who Salle would match up to best. Like I kind of see her as Sulin tbh if they’re not making all the Aiel Maidens cut their hair - which would be the correct choice btw they can just have it tied up i am very happy to get rid of the Padawan/80s hockey player rat tails

SALLE IS LISTED AS ELSE TREEHILL yaaaaas our worstie is here!!!

Else Grinwell herself doesn’t do much except be impersonated by a certain someone could be a kind of interesting set up if we get to see this character in both locations and we’re not sure who is the “real” one

butterflydm:

(spoilers through book 14: a memory of light below)

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I can’t say what is specifically in RJ’s notes about this but I do know he had planned a Mat and Tuon spin off series which I hope/imagine would have dealt with these issues. I think Sanderson ran out of time and space to properly deal with this, much in the way Veins of Gold or Perrin’s wrap-up felt rushed. I also have my doubts he would have been able to tackle the nuance of this considering how blunt of a writer he is, and considering the depictions of slavery in his own books. I feel it’s pretty clear Mat (and Rand) don’t approve of the damane but unfortunately we only had so many pages.

ailinu:

what if our streams of balefire touched and left us inextricably connected in the pattern (and we were both boys)

It’s very interesting to see the different ways Wheel of Time and Witcher are handling having an established loyal fanbase while also trying to bring in new fans

For example Wheel of Time dealing with fourteen books had to do a lot of condensing and there are a few plot differences, BUT gave the fans things they have been asking for (an actual canon queer relationship that was only kind of fetishized in the books in a weird way) 

The Witcher however disregarded all source material and also killed one of the most beloved characters. 

there’s just, two different ways of looking at things I guess. 

Okay, so I am extremely worried about Moiraine for the season finale. There’s just so much foreshadowing towards her dying and tbh, at this point it would probably be the most logical outcome, but I really don’t want her to die, I’m going to cry if she does I love her so much.

amemoryofwot:

Can’t wait for the finale when the three remaining kids, jealous one of them and mom got to go on a suicide mission, convince dad to also take them on a suicide mission

I’m probably missing something, but why does the conversation between Siuan and Moiraine make it seem like Moiraine was the one who put Siuan in an impossible situation in the hall? Like, in a way, she did, but what else could she have done in that situation? If anything, the scene seemed to me like Siuan was the one who made a strategical mistake in the hall with the question she asked, and backed Moiraine into a corner in doing so. With her asking after the reason why Moiriane was in Two Rivers, she basically left her no choice but to not answer (or reveal she was after the Dragon). Idk, had she asked something like “What were you DOING in Two Rivers”, that might have left Moiraine some room to avoid the Dragon Issue and instead go… idk, “I heard about the Fade and Trollocs and fought to protect Two Rivers and then led them away from there” (which would be a possible answer for what she was doing, but not for why she came there bc, well, the sole reason she came was the Dragon).

tailorgenyasafin:

Hhhh thinking about how the other aes sedai in the hall might have listened to moiraine say ‘daughter of the river, clever as a pike, stronger than the tides’ and assumed it was moiraine putting siuan in her place (under the guise of praising whatever judgement the amyrlin seat makes) because she was being banished from the tower and was insulted by siuan earlier when she was adressed as ‘lady moiraine damodred’. she’s born cairhienin and as an aes sedai of the blue ajah they’d be more likely to assume she’s playing at daes dae'mar and would dissect every word choice. But god no she meant every word in the sincerest way possible and it was a confession of her enduring love for her. A marriage vow even.

I first got into wheel of time through the show but am now about ¾ through Eye of the World and I love both show and books, but I have to say that while the show changed a lot from the books, I think they made good calls on most of their changes? (Except for the obvious fridged wife issue.) This might just be the first time I ever say that about an adaption, but I think they did the right thing in straying from the books in several areas. This is not to say that the plot points the show changed were bad in the books, just that I think that the books, much as I enjoy them, are impossible to make into a successful TV show without significant changes.

I get wanting an adaption to include all of the beloved scenes from the books, but I honestly can’t see myself (or many others who hadn’t read the books yet) enjoying the show that much if it had stuck extremely closely to the books. Mostly because the start in the books is just incredibly slow and even for me who was already hooked from the show, it took some effort to get through it. Most of the really interesting worldbuilding is revealed only gradually. The characters spend a good proportion of the book just being dragged along by the plot (in the form of the bad guys chasing them and Moiraine and Lan telling them what to do) more or less willingly. Besides, none of the characters start out especially unique or interesting. They all have their unique personalities, of course, but there’s nothing that really sets them apart from other fantasy protagonists. What does exist in the books is a sort of implied promise that there will be stuff happening with them, that there is more than we see, that we’ll just have to stick around and watch them because there will be something interesting coming there. (All of which is legitimate for the books and even works for a large part because of the subtle ways narration and POV keep tension up and keep readers interested. Besides, the massive scale of the series goes hand in hand with a slow start and anyone who starts reading knows what he’s signing up for. But that doesn’t work for a TV show with a much bigger audience that will not happily sit through several episodes before things really kick off, or wait around patiently for the main characters to fulfil their promises of becoming interesting.) Not to mention that in our time (which is several decades after the books were published), the Ordinary Farmer Fantasy Protagonist is a bit of a cliché and “Wait for the not overly unique white guy with a crush on the girl from his village to get Super Special Powers” is… not really the promise that will draw people in.

I think centering Moiraine and Lan so much in the series was a brilliant decision. As a non-book reader, they were what hooked me to the story immediately when I started the series. There were two characters who were interesting right off the bat, who provided the story with the very concrete goal of finding and protecting the Dragon Reborn (and proceeded to work for that actively, which made the entire protagonist-side feel much more active because the people doing the protecting were as much the focus as the ones being protected) and also immediately introduced the unique bits of the worldbuilding. The focus on them was what gave the Edmond’s Field kids the time to develop and grow on me as the viewer. And if some of the mystery surrounding Moiraine and Lan in the books was lost in the process… well, it’s honestly a small price to pay. And I think the show’s “We know we are looking for the Dragon Reborn, but we don’t know which of these five it is” works just as well as the books’ “We don’t know what the dark wants with these three, but it’s pretty clear to the reader that Rand will be The One”.

Similarly, I think cutting down the amount of travel scenes made sense for the show. Don’t get me wrong, I adored the travel scenes following Shadar Logoth, that was when the books really started to draw me in on their own, without the show needed as back-up, but I still think they wouldn’t work for a TV show. A lot of what makes these scenes work in the book is the narration, the constant sense of fear and being chased, as well as the worldbuilding and all the questions that keep being brought up. But that type of thing just doesn’t translate well into movie format, and watching the show, I don’t think I would have appreciated episodes of travel scenes where I am constantly introduced to new characters who all only get brief appearances before disappearing again (and apparently reappear later on, which is brilliant in a book series and something I am looking forward to a lot, but would probably have overwhelmed me hopelessly in a show) and the several run-ins with various servants of the Dark that worked well in the books would probably have felt repetitive quickly in the show.

I wonder why the Whitecloaks don’t just make every suspicious woman they come across say “I am not an Aes Sedai” to test if they are an Aes Sedai. Bc an Aes Sedai wouldn’t be able to say that, and if they dictate the phrasing, there wouldn’t be any way to work around it (for example by saying “witch” instead of “Aes Sedai”).

cinaja:

cinaja:

I started reading Eye of the World after having watched the four available WoT episodes, and probably the first thing I noticed is how the show really made the people from Two Rivers a lot more knowledgable about the outside world, or at least about Aes Sedai.

Like, EVERYONE in the inn recognizes Moiraine as an Aes Seai basically the moment she enters. Meanwhile in the books, she is literally walking around in her all-blue super fancy clothes with her Aes Sedai ring and Lan in his typical warder coat and people only notice she’s an Aes Sedai when she starts shooting lightning. The contrast was just very funny to me.

On the other hand, I was VERY disappointed I didn’t get to see Moiraine and Lan fight those trollocs bc I absolutely loved that scene in the show.

Me, reading that Moiraine did not let that ferry guy drown in the books: Oh, so I guess they amped up Moiraine’s “do whatever necessary to keep the Trollocs/Dark One from catching them” attitude for the show.

Me, reading Moiraine threaten to kill Rand & co before she lets the Dark One get them: Okay, never mind.

cinaja:

I started reading Eye of the World after having watched the four available WoT episodes, and probably the first thing I noticed is how the show really made the people from Two Rivers a lot more knowledgable about the outside world, or at least about Aes Sedai.

Like, EVERYONE in the inn recognizes Moiraine as an Aes Seai basically the moment she enters. Meanwhile in the books, she is literally walking around in her all-blue super fancy clothes with her Aes Sedai ring and Lan in his typical warder coat and people only notice she’s an Aes Sedai when she starts shooting lightning. The contrast was just very funny to me.

On the other hand, I was VERY disappointed I didn’t get to see Moiraine and Lan fight those trollocs bc I absolutely loved that scene in the show.

I started reading Eye of the World after having watched the four available WoT episodes, and probably the first thing I noticed is how the show really made the people from Two Rivers a lot more knowledgable about the outside world, or at least about Aes Sedai.

Like, EVERYONE in the inn recognizes Moiraine as an Aes Seai basically the moment she enters. Meanwhile in the books, she is literally walking around in her all-blue super fancy clothes with her Aes Sedai ring and Lan in his typical warder coat and people only notice she’s an Aes Sedai when she starts shooting lightning. The contrast was just very funny to me.

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